Ep. 115 · Culture · Mar 2026

Episode #115: Joseph Tainter | Complexity, Energy, and the Fragility of Modern Civilization

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Episode #115
51 min · Mar 2026
Culture
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Why do societies collapse—and what does that tell us about the future of the global economy? In this episode of The Puck , Jim Baer speaks with anthropologist and historian Joseph…

Show Notes

Why do societies collapse—and what does that tell us about the future of the global economy?

In this episode of The Puck , Jim Baer speaks with anthropologist and historian Joseph Tainter , author of the influential book The Collapse of Complex Societies . Tainter’s work explores a powerful idea: the very complexity that allows civilizations to solve problems can eventually become their greatest vulnerability.

From the Roman Empire to modern globalization, artificial intelligence, and the rising global demand for energy, Baer and Tainter explore why societies continuously add layers of institutions, technology, and regulation to solve immediate problems—and why those solutions may only buy time.

They discuss:

Why complexity grows in successful civilizations

The hidden role of energy in sustaining modern society

Whether AI and innovation can help us grow out of global debt

Why technological breakthroughs may be becoming harder to achieve